[Signing] Afinogenov to KHL

ProWiNz · 08-09-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Innocent_bystander

I'm sorry but I don't understand this statement. The market is based largley on a combination of supply and demand + precedents. Afinogenov deserved upwards of 4 million a year based on precedents, but based on supply and demand, he obviously wasn't worth that. We'll never know exactly what he was offered from NHL clubs, but he did actually get 2.5 million on the market because he clearly deserved 2.5 million, no?

Taking one of your examples, Brian Campbell, in retrospect, is clearly not worth 7+ million (although he did help them win a cup, and perhaps the argument could be made that any ridiculous contract given could be deemed "worth it" if that player helped his team to win hockey's ultimate prize, but that's another story for another day). Based on precedents he, again, he was not worth 7+ million (although looking at Redden and Timonen's contracts, the argument is there to be made). But based on supply and demand, he was obviously worth 7.14 million. Maybe I'm just arguing semantics here but would you not agree that quite the reverse of what you said is true, and that what a player earns on the open market IS, in fact, what they deserve?

Well I agree with you on the point of semantics lol. And yes you definately could say that if you are considering every single league to be "the market". However I meant the NHL market, which I thought was implied when we post the salaries (unless I unwittingly have never noticed that everyone posts the expected salary in every single market/league when they post a projected salary)

MatchesMalone · 08-09-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ProWiNz

Fyi, I don't dislike anyone on the forum, and actually like your posts (negating the last couple

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Likewise. I'm hoping to learn something from this argument. (except there actually is one person on this forum I dislike...)

For the record, I wasn't being sarcastic when I said "thanks for the input and your opinion is dually noted". I don't realize when I'm being pretentious, hell, I barely know what the word means.

ProWiNz · 08-09-2010, 03:37 PM

lol np, I go to Queen's, we have a bachelors of pretension

I also enjoy posting the occasional snide or sarcastic remark, but when I recieve one I feel that I'm obliged to respond in kind

MatchesMalone · 08-09-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ProWiNz

Well I agree with you on the point of semantics lol. And yes you definately could say that if you are considering every single league to be "the market". However I meant the NHL market, which I thought was implied when we post the salaries (unless I unwittingly have never noticed that everyone posts the expected salary in every single market/league when they post a projected salary)

Well, yes, I would think that other leagues count as part of the market. The KHL offering ridiculous contracts to certain Russain players do drive their values up in the NHL. I don't agree with EK's point that the KHL has to overpay to get players. Like I illustrated in my previous post, I think that the lure to Russian players of playing in their home country and being a big star and play top minutes as well as the fact that those salaries are tax free is enough to counterbalance the lure of the best league in the world and the chance to win the Stanley Cup. Unless you're a player like Kovalchuk or Ovechkin and you get to be one of the best players in the best league in the world and be a big star and play top minutes and choose your team so that you have a very good chance of winning the Stanley Cup. It's like having your cake and eating it too.

ProWiNz · 08-09-2010, 03:42 PM

Yeah I agree, I just meant the NHL market most likely didn't value him at 2.5 million, so although he may have deserved it here, if he was to sign in the NHL, he probably wouldn't get it (which is suggested by his signing in the KHL)

Also my other point is that peformance does not always correlate to pay due to timing or other factors

MatchesMalone · 08-09-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ProWiNz

lol np, I go to Queen's, we have a bachelors of pretension

I also enjoy posting the occasional snide or sarcastic remark, but when I recieve one I feel that I'm obliged to respond in kind

Haven't you ever watched Corner Gas? Smart-assedness/sarcasm/tact is the only kind of humor we know in Saskatchewan.

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Originally Posted by ProWiNz

Yeah I agree, I just meant the NHL market most likely didn't value him at 2.5 million, so although he may have deserved it here, if he was to sign in the NHL, he probably wouldn't get it (which is suggested by his signing in the KHL)

Also my other point is that peformance does not always correlate to pay due to timing or other factors

I can't quite agree here either. I think he probably would have got 2.5 million in the NHL for a one or two year deal. I think the reason he took the one in the KHL was due to the length, something he never would have got in the NHL, given his injury history.