Weeeellllll in that case IDK,,, you are definitely right and I didn't think of that. I don't think thats fair because Cheech hasn't played his way off this team, quite the opposite actually... I guess Cheech and Owen could alternate,,, lol and looking at your lines I don't see Shannon, and I think.... taking Shannon out of the line-up is like Washington taking Ovechkin out (in Clouston's eyes) can't really take Nailer out either, so maybe we just get one of Brunette or Nolan,,,

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I think we only need to add one top-six winger, and Brunette would be great. I'd be for trading Shannon or Cheechoo plus a high pick to get the forward, and then trading Kuba + Picard or Campoli and another pick to acquire a top d-man.

Imagine:

Brunette - Spezza - Alfredsson
Michalek - Fisher - Kovalev
Foligno - Regin - Cheechoo/Shannon
Ruutu - Winchester - Neil

Bieksa - Karlsson
Volchenkov - Phillips
Picard - Carkner

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Trading Spezza for Kovalchuk or whatever the winger it is...thats just silly.

Spezza will likely leave this team...than he will become a REALLY good player overall...

Hmm just like we traded away (or did not sign) Salo, Demitra, Prospal, Havlat, Hossa, Chara, and Heatley about to be on that list, is Spezza also going to join?

He will be the best guy we have ever drafted once Alfie retires. Trade him, and there would be a drak future waiting for us...I can almost guarantee this.

Why? Cause we have done this mistake in the past COUNTLESS times. How many young guys we have traded away that suddently got better?

Besides that, who will trade a 1st line center for a super snyper winger? That makes absolutely no sense (unless if you're telling me that Fisher would be the 1st line center...)

Just wanted to post this...since so many people was making this rediculous trade.

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Did Paul Mara's value go up as you changed page?

Same thing. 2nd = 3rd, 3rd = 4th from Blackhawk standards, sure they'd accept either one.

NICE TRADE!

Ok i have one too now:

Ottawa trades:

Alex Picard

FOR

Chicago's 1st rounder.

Seems good right?

Mara= 0 goals 8 assists -16
Picard= 4 goal 10 assists +1

You overvalue your players WAYYYYYYYYY too much bro Mara for a 4th/5th rounder at best.

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You never know. They need the defensive depth at the position, and it's not like they really need their 2nd round pick (which will likely be an early 3rd anyways).

Guess they'd rather take Picard over Mara then.

Just because they don't need it doesn't mean they would accept a deal that they get hosed in.

That's a piss-weak trade Rayzor, no way in hell the Hawks do that.

yeah got it the first time thanks tho

I think you guys are over-reacting. A 2nd rounder might be a bit much but a 3rd rounder would for sure be fair for Mara, he is a very solid 6th or 7th defenseman and is UFA at the end of the season, just what the Hawks need. Like Rayzor said, a Blackhawks pick in the 3rd round is gonna be around 90th, pretty much a 4th rounder and its not that they don't need the pick, its that they do need the defenseman more than they need the pick. What is that team gonna do come playoff time if they lose a defenseman for any significant amount of time? Jordan Hendry has to jump in... What if they lose two? They very much need to add depth to their defense. I think they'd be willing to trade at least a 3rd round pick for it.

Anyways, I worked the night shift last night and I was so bored I came up with a bunch of trade ideas.

Edmonton-Anaheim

To Anaheim:
Sheldon Souray

To Edmonton:
James Wisniewski, Petteri Nokelainen and Philadelphia's 2010 first round pick

Anaheim standpoint: Don't know if Anaheim will be on Souray's list but Edmonton is looking for picks, Anaheim has 2 first rounders this year and they could use the big shot on the power play, especially in case Niedermayer retires this summer.

Edmonton standpoint: Edmonton's cap situation this summer is dire, they need to shed salary, Anaheim has some space and a quite few expiring contracts this summer so they could fit him and Edmonton drops almost 2 million. Edmonton gets back a pretty good all-around, fairly young defenseman, a talented young Fin who will be a good depth/energy player to replace the likes of Pisani and/or Comrie for less money and, perhaps most importantly, the first round pick, which will be in the 15-25th range, where maybe they can shore up their prospect depth in net with Pickard or Campbell to replace Khabibulin in the not-too-distant future.

I'll post more later.

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Hey Rayzor, YOUR TRADE SUCKS

I don't know if anyone noticed, but the proposed trade by rayzor was not quite up to standards

OK, so this next scenario is much like the one with Cogliano I proposed not long ago, only quite different... and better! At the time I was strictly thinking about the future, but given our current state, I'm thinking maybe we could make a serious playoff run this season, and still improve our future. I'm gonna use Rayzor's trade format again cus its so deadly.

Firstly:

Ottawa-Edmonton

To Ottawa:
Tom Gilbert (4 million)

To Edmonton:
Jonathan Cheechoo (3 million), Brian Lee, Ottawa's 2nd (and 3rd if necessary) round pick in 2010

Ottawa standpoint: Almost everyone here agrees that Ottawa's biggest need is a good all-around defenseman, we have guys that are great defensively but bad offensively (Phillips, Volchenkov, Carkner) and guys that are good offensively but bad defensively (Campoli, Picard, Karlsson, Kuba). Now we're not going to get a guy like Pronger or Seabrook because we would have to completely dismantle our roster and our future to get them. But how about a guy who is still relatively young (27), has great offensive upside (45 points last year) and is very solid defensively? He is struggling offensively this year and Edmonton is looking to unload, so maybe we get a bit of a deal on him.

For those of you who don't know much about Gilbert and thought he was just an offensive defenseman, not so. My dad is an Edmonton native and a big Oil fan so I watch them all the time, Gilbert is by far the best of their big four defensively. Always hard-working, excellent in transition and is leading the Oilers in blocked shots this year.

Plus we have two 2nd round picks this year, so we can afford to lose one.

Edmonton standpoint: A rebuilding team, Gilbert has suffered this season due to an overall struggling team and being left off the top powerplay unit courtesy of Grebeshkov, Souray and Vishnovski. He doesn't really have a role (or fit into his role) with this team anymore and might be best off moving elsewhere. Edmonton fans have long cried for management to add players with size and strength combined with talent up front, Cheechoo would help Dustin Penner and Gilbert Brule in solving that. Pisani is UFA this summer so for an extra 500 000 they can replace him with Cheechoo, who is basically Pisani plus offensive potential. Brian Lee gives them a hopeful future replacement for Tom Gilbert and the second round pick helps with their rebuild. And they gain a little bit of room to breathe under the cap.

Next, we swing a deal at the deadline with the St Louis Blues

Ottawa-St Louis

To Ottawa:
Kieth Tkachuk (2.2), Carlo Colaiacovo (1.2), Jonas Junland, 5th round pick in 2010

To St Louis:
Filip Kuba (3.7), Alex Picard/Chris Campoli (.6-.8)

Ottawa standpoint: Tkachuk and Colaiacovo are both expiring contracts (rentals), so we actually kill 3 birds with one stone, we dump Kuba's salary so we will be able to afford extensions to Foligno and Volchenkov. At the same time we pick up a very solid veteran goal-scorer to hopefully make a long playoff run this season. AND at the same time still, we don't hurt our future, adding Junland to soon replace Picard/Campoli, plus we already added Gilbert who is better and younger than Kuba. Colaiacovo will battle with Picard/Campoli for the 6th defense position.

St Louis standpoint: Like I mentioned before, St Louis needs help on their powerplay, Kuba is an excellent puck-distributor on the powerplay and would be great for setting up Erik Johnson's cannon slap shot until Rundblad/Pietrangello is ready. St Louis dumps a couple of expiring contracts and swaps a defense prospect for a young defenseman to help speed up the rebuild process.


The end result, our roster for the playoffs:

Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Tkachuk-Fisher-Kovalev
Foligno-Regin-Neil
Ruutu-Kelly-Winchester

Extras: Shannon, Donovan

Phillips-Volchenkov
Gilbert-Karlsson
Carkner-Colaiacovo

Extra: Campoli/Campoli

The cap exchange from both deals combined works out to us being almost exactly where we were for this season. As for next season, I came up with some numbers for extensions, put it in capgeek and came out with:

2010-2011 Ottawa Senators
PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT
FORWARDS
Jason Spezza — $7,000,000
Alexei Kovalev — $5,000,000
Daniel Alfredsson — $4,875,000
Milan Michalek — $4,333,333
Mike Fisher — $4,200,000
Nick Foligno — $2,250,000
Chris Kelly — $2,125,000
Chris Neil — $2,000,000
Jarkko Ruutu — $1,300,000
Peter Regin — $1,000,000
Jesse Winchester — $750,000
Shean Donovan — $600,000
DEFENSEMEN
Anton Volchenkov — $4,250,000
Tom Gilbert — $4,000,000
Chris Phillips — $3,500,000
Chris Campoli — $1,400,000
Erik Karlsson ($425,000) $1,300,000
Matt Carkner — $700,000
GOALTENDERS
Pascal Leclaire — $3,800,000
Brian Elliott — $850,000
BUYOUTS
Ray Emery — $562,500
Daniel Alfredsson — $700,000
LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS
NONE
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 20
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $56,495,833
BONUSES $425,000
CAP SPACE $729,167

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LMAO!

Classic.

In my opinion, Cheechoo is the only player who is still behind. I think if we trade him for a legitimate 2nd line right handed winger, we have ourselves a serious contender. I'm thinking the perfect trade, and Ottawa overpays but saves a bit on the cap, could be: Cheechoo, Campoli and 2010 SJ 2nd TO Carolina FOR Ray Whitney.

Kovalev - Spezza - Alfredsson
Michalek - Fisher - Whitney
Foligno - Kelly/Regin - Neil/Shannon
Ruutu - Kelly/Regin - Neil/Shannon

Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Karlsson
Picard - Carkner

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I disagree. I think our forwards are good enough to make some noise, its our defense that needs improvement. Not that our defense is bad, but we need at least one guy that can do both offense and defense well. Also, a true number one powerplay quarterback would be nice, Kuba is a good puck distributor but just doesn't have the shot.

My Gilbert trade solves the first problem but not the other, Gilbert is awesome but on the PP, he is about equal to Kuba. Souray would be great for the powerplay but he is mediocre defensively and we'd have to give up a fortune to get him. A first round pick would have to be involved for sure and I'm not willing to give one up at this point.

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DUDE! Rutherford would jump on that like a John would a free Prostitute! I COULD be pursuaded to agree on the deal if Tuomo is coming back the other way.

That is SERIOUS over payment for the 37 year old Whitney! unfortunately in order to land Ray he has to want to come here due to his nTc. As for Cheech, he isn't behind....... wtf do you expect a guy to do playing an average of 10 mins a game with ZERO to little PP time? if he is behind IYO he isn't the only one,, Ryan Shannon should be on your list too, why? well compare the 2. There is NEXT TO NO difference man! each have the same amount of goals and assists and identical +/-'s.

If Clouston would have Cheechoo out there more, his numbers would probably be doubled! at least his goal total would at the very least. It's not as if this guy can't play anymore. His biggest asset IS HIS SHOT! Sooooo get him the fukcing puck! and put him with guys who can thread the needle to him, there is always going to be that clean lane or gap to make that tape to tape pass.

He got hurt in SJ and upon returning was NEVER given a shot back with Thornton, Clouston and company, for whatever reason are fueling the under utilization of his services. And there is NOTHING that pisses me off more about this team ATM, now that Alfie is where he belongs when we are on the PP.

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