I think murray needs to focus on offence. Our defence is bad, but i feel that we have the solution in our draft picks. If weber hits the market that is too hard to pass up, but i think we need to get the offence now because our defence WILL BE GOOD in a few years. Making a move right now for a mediocre D like barker will just hurt us in the long run. But if weber is an option drop everything and buy buy buy!


Weber-karlsson
phillips-volchenkov
cowen-carkner/wiercioch/lee/picard/barker/ whoever the hell else we still have or haven't traded to acquire weber.

Carkner and picard IMO are great 3rd pairing defensmen and make the right amount of coin for what they bring. We make moves for D now and we will be in a position like chicago down the road. And the last time we let a good D walk cough*chara*cough, it didn't work out so well.

....but like i said this whole post is void if weber is an option, that's too good to pass up

Come on man, this is all bogus, when you are in Atlanta...What is the ONLY way to keep you happy? The answer is knowing that you will have the biggest paycheck at the end of the year than any player in the league.

The last time something horrific was released in the media was in 2 occasions.

1)Burke wanted 1st rounder for Antropov
2)Jack Johnson of the Las Angeles Kings wanted 5 mil per year.

End results?

Burke got a 2nd and a conditional pick for Antropov and Johnson went on to signing a 1.75 mil deal...I aint no mathematic genius but in my books that is a HUGEEEEEEEE discount from 5 mil.

Kovalchuk will really be asking for 8-9.5 mil and if Spezza is gone than HELL YES! I WOULD PAY HIM THAT MONEY! Remember, after all he is IMO the second best offensive destruction after Ovechkin or maybe same who knows.

Could Gurty have said it any better?

Weber is a top 5 defenceman in the league and if he EVER becomes available oh man Sens should drop it all for this guy.

Remember if we trade our first rounders and what not we still have amazing prospects that can push for top minutes and we can eventually trade THEM for first rounders.

Trading Spezza and Foligno to Atlanta makes so much sense for them. They have a strong sniper in Kane who will be perfect for Spezza and Foligno adds that extra powerforward presence for them.


In Ottawa's case, bringing in a top 5 defenceman in the league and a top 3 forward automatically spells stanley cup contention.






For the next 10 years? LOL! PLEASE MURRAY PLEASEE!!!!!!!

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OK so here is my new stance on what we should do in the trade market. We trade
Kovalev, Cheechoo, Shannon, Campoli, and Lee, which saves us $9.5 million.

The empty lineups with players missing would look like:

Michalek - Spezza - Alfredsson
- Fisher -
Foligno - Kelly - Neil
Ruutu - Regin - Donovan
Winchester

Kuba - Karlsson
Volchenkov - Phillips
Picard - Carkner

We acquire Bobby Ryan, Alex Tanguay, and Shea Weber, which costs us $7.8 million for a total savings of (9.5 - 7.8) $1.7 million.

I wasn't buying into the Bobby Ryan rumours too much, but I'm hearing more and more about it. Apparently the Ducks were looking at Kovalev, and also needed a prospect defenseman. I think at this point Murray would like to be rid of Kovalev, and I think everyone agrees there's no place on this team for Brian Lee. So trade Kovalev and Lee to Anaheim for Ryan. The Ducks get to add a left handed shot to the mix with Kovalev - Getzlaf - Perry (Getzlaf, Perry, and Ryan are all right handed shots), and also have just the right amount of cap space to do the deal.

Tampa Bay wants to get rid of Tanguay, and he needs a change of scenery anyways. They have tons of cap space, and I venture would be willing to take Cheechoo for Tanguay. For both teams, it's hoping that the change sparks the player - for Ottawa, it's less of a risk because Tanguay's contract is expiring anyways...

And as for Weber, I don't know why Nashville would want to trade him, but there's tons of talk about it happening. I gather it's more a question of him wanting to be in a better hockey market - well, Welcome to Ottawa! If they need to trade Weber, perhaps they would take something like Shannon, Campoli, and San Jose's 2010 Second Round pick. Shannon and Campoli both have potential, and could flourish in Nashville. In any case, if they won't take the deal with the 2nd, bump it up and offer them our 1st and I think they'll do it.

So that leaves our lines looking like this:

Michalek - Spezza - Alfredsson
Tanguay - Fisher - Ryan
Foligno - Kelly - Neil
Ruutu - Regin - Donovan
Winchester

Kuba - Weber
Volchenkov - Phillips
Picard - Karlsson
Carkner

We would have a few expiring contracts next summer - Foligno, Donovan, Regin, Winchester, Picard, Ryan, and Tanguay. If you take them all out, we have $9.5 million in cap space and the lineups look like this:

Michalek - Spezza - Alfredsson
- Fisher -
- Kelly - Neil
Ruutu - -


Kuba - Weber
Volchenkov - Phillips
- Karlsson
Carkner

Pending performances especially of Ryan and Tanguay, we can figure to re-sign Ryan and Foligno at around $3 million each, and hope to get Tanguay at $2 million or less. Donovan, Regin, and Winchester shouldn't be too expensive to keep on board, and Wiercioch gets a cheap rookie contract and takes Picard's place, who walks and gets us some RFA compensation:

Tentative 2010-2011 roster:

Michalek - Spezza - Alfredsson
Tanguay - Fisher - Ryan
Foligno - Kelly - Neil
Ruutu - Regin - Donovan
Winchester

Kuba - Weber
Volchenkov - Phillips
Wiercioch - Karlsson
Carkner

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Joshlind:
You have the right idea and a good plan, but you still need to make a few adjustments. Off the top of my head right now i can safely say we would have to pay a lot more to get weber off of nashville. I think the guy is very underrated and will fetch a hefty price tag.

I also don't see cowen in your plans? Unless he is in the deal with weber or ryan, which makes sense.

Lastly i'm sure many picks will be thrown around in order to make these deals, and ottawa has a history of not trading their own first rounders. Also I can't see picard walking as a RFA. Murray likes the guy and worked hard to get him in the mezearos deal. I don't see it happening.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts, good proposal nonetheless. I feel that would be a solid team.

check out this proposal!
i nearly killed myself laughing
Possible trade for Kovalchuk? - Sens Talk - Hockey Discussion - Ottawa Senators - Message Board

and how about this proposal?
Ryan Kesler + Sami Salo
for
Kelly + Lee + Kuba + SJS 2nd?

We get Kesler who we could really use at a time like this,
Salo can bring some offense in the blueline and pp

for vancouver, they get a help on their weak PK with Kelly and Lee,
and they get a 2nd rounder
and Kuba who could perhaps use a change of scenary? :S

What in blue hell is that guy smoking?!?!?!!!

To JoshLind:

Bro, you know how to make a solid team but as Gurty said. Hell no does Nashville do that trade.

We are at least looking at a 1st rounder in 2010 a top 4 defenceman in Kuba/Lee and maybe prospect like Hennessy or Condra and a top defensive prospect in Wiercioch/Cowen.

Wiercioch and Cowen are both going to be amazing but having Weber on your team? That is truly worth it.

So there we have Weber as you said.

Now Ryan is going to be amazing but only Kovalev and Lee? Kovalev+Lee+Swedish prospect.

I don't know if Tampa will go for the Cheechoo for Tanguay deal.

If it all works than, that's a solid consistent team.



ALSO LMFAOOOOOO, that sensforum has become one of tremendous weak knowledge.

Also choi, the Canucks giving up Kesler is like saying us giving up Alfredsson.

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Spezza & Lee for Eric Stall.

Spezza for Lecavalier

im really intersted in what the lightning are going to do with vinnie.
stamkos is really stepping it up in tampa,

the only problem is that LONG contract..
i have a feeling burke might try to land him?
kessel with vinnie sounds seriously dangerous

I would do that Staal deal in a HEART beat!

Lecavalier i don't know, He is 3 years older than Spezza and in that time Spezza can be just as good as him.

But i'd still do it. We would need to get something else back.

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Cap wise those two deals work. I'm thinking those teams would want more seeing as Vinny & Stall create their own shots where as it seems Spezza needs more of a supporting cast to be effective.

No offense, but Nashville's GM would laugh, hang up the phone and then block the Sens from ever contacting them.

Phillips, Kuba, Kovalev, for Pronger, carter, Parent.

Philly gets flexability with the cap and three solid players and Ottawa get a #1 Dman, and a top 6 forward to replace Kovalev.

*facepalm*

That trade will NEVERRRRRRRRRR happen.

If it does i would personally call Murray tell him about this post and make you the next runner up for GM.

But like this trade, that will be highly unlikely lol

Not gonna happen...

None of the posts on this thread are going to happen. Just looking to have some intelligent dialogue.

Sorry to go over your head Rayzor.

It's obvious Pronger disrupted the flow of that team. They are a bunch of young guys who think they are studs until a real stud stepped into the dressing room and told them to pull up there socks. They have enough scorers on that team that they could deal with losing Carter & Pronger. Philly get 3 good players and we get back 1 player who is better in ever area than both Phillips & Kuba combined. He is tougher then any player we have ever had and would be a leader of me and not kids like he is right now.
Alfredsson is a great captain but he is no Pronger. Put Messier on Defence and you get Pronger IMO. We get a true top 6 forward in Carter if not top 3. We would be real healthy down the middle. Parent is just a throw in to make the money work.

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"When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest." Bullwinkle

Democracy empowers the slave to chose his master.

If anything Murray will wait until deadline day.

If we are out of a playoff spot he will deal the likes of Kuba, Cheechoo and we stack up on picks.

If we are IN a playoff spot and seem comfortable not to drop out than i can see him moving our first rounder or a couple of picks+ roster player/Prospect for Horton or someone that good.

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