Trade Proposals

Matt the Aussie · 02-08-2010, 03:34 PM

I like that deal IB

It's not too steep for either team. I wonder if the Wild think of themselves as sellers though or if they want to keep Nolan for their own playoff run.

JoshLind · 02-08-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Innocent_bystander

Haha Sensarmy, tell your friend I called him a douchebag...

Kidding, only kidding.

Seriously though, I agree with Pascal that defense should be our top priority. The problem is, we don't wanna trade any of our good players cus it will throw off our chemistry, and the few we are willing to trade, Cheechoo, Kuba, aren't worth much.

I was just reading the Senschirp rumor that Murray is looking to package Cheechoo with Lee. How about this one:

To Minnesota: Jonathan Cheechoo, Brian Lee, 4th round pick
To Ottawa: Owen Nolan, Tyler Cuma, 6th round pick

Minnesota standpoint: They get back a local boy in Minnesota high school sensation Brian Lee. Perhaps a return to his home state would rejuvinate his sputtering career. Nolan is a UFA at season's end, with this they at least get something back for him. Despite the good return, there isn't a lot of reason for Minnesota to make this trade. Hence the reason we swap them up draft picks.

Ottawa standpoint: We dump Cheechoo's salary, bring in Owen Nolan, a tough, grimy veteran who still has some goal-scoring ability and would be great for us in the playoffs. Plus he is UFA at season's end so we leave him unsigned and our cap situation is solved. But we're not just gonna give up on Cheechoo and Lee for nothing. We get back Ontario native and Ottawa 67 Tyler Cuma. Cuma, like Lee, has hit some bumps in the road in his development and perhaps a trade would jumpstart him.

Can we take Andrew Brunette instead?

PascalLeclaire · 02-08-2010, 04:41 PM

My friend in sportsnet says, 'Expect Murray to make a deal for a top 6 forward AND a top 4 defenceman by the trade deadline.'

I like this cause it solves our need and hopefully, a better shot at the finals.

Murray wants to make something big happen but i hear he has some deals already set if the others don't work.

Sensarmy1 · 02-08-2010, 05:11 PM

haha yeah innocent by stander i already told him that hes a douchebag don't worry. and eklund has it up on his website so thats probably where he got it from. so

Sensarmy1 · 02-08-2010, 05:17 PM

man i was just reading on sportsnet that fans have emailed don waddel about the kovalchuk trade. i dont want to talke about the kovalchuk trade, but can we email BM? to tell him how muh kuba stinks and to trade his ass?

Sensarmy1 · 02-08-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PascalLeclaire

My friend in sportsnet says, 'Expect Murray to make a deal for a top 6 forward AND a top 4 defenceman by the trade deadline.'

I like this cause it solves our need and hopefully, a better shot at the finals.

Murray wants to make something big happen but i hear he has some deals already set if the others don't work.

hopefully he doesnt trade away a guy like vermette going into his prime, for a guy like leclaire again, he just hasnt impressed me this season

Innocent_bystander · 02-09-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshLind

Can we take Andrew Brunette instead?

Haha doubt it. The fact that Nolan is a pending UFA is a big part of the trade. For Minnesota the fact that they get something for an otherwise wasted asset and for us the fact that he is becoming UFA so it clears up that 2.5 million we need to get under the cap.

JoshLind · 02-11-2010, 03:02 AM

To Ottawa:Andrew Brunette, Marek Zidlicky, Kyle Brodziak
To Minnesota: Chris Kelly, Filip Kuba, Alex Picard, Ottawa 2nd Round
To Ottawa: Jack Johnson
To Los Angeles: Jonathan Cheechoo, Brian Lee, SJ 2nd Round

Brunette - Spezza - Alfredsson
Michalek - Fisher - Kovalev
Foligno - Regin - Shannon
Ruutu - Brodziak - Neil
Donovan/Winchester

Johnson - Zidlicky
Phillips - Volchenkov
Campoli - Karlsson
Carkner

Leclaire
Elliott

JoshLind · 02-11-2010, 06:02 PM

Revised:

To Ottawa: Andrew Brunette, Marek Zidlicky
To Minnesota: Ryan Shannon, Filip Kuba, Ottawa 2nd Round Pick

To Ottawa: Jack Johnson
To Los Angeles: Jonathan Chechoo, Alex Picard, San Jose 2nd Round Pick

To Ottawa: Marek Svatos
To Colorado: Brian Lee, Ottawa 4th Round Pick

Brunette - Spezza - Alfredsson
Michalek - Fisher - Kovalev
Foligno - Regin - Svatos
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil
Donovan/Winchester

Johnson - Zidlicky
Phillips - Volchenkov
Campoli - Karlsson
Carkner

Leclaire
Elliott

Gurty · 02-11-2010, 10:28 PM

K i'm gunna go ahead and say that I have for sure been on board the trade cheechoo, picard and kuba bandwagon, but I saw an intersting post elsehwere considering kuba that has kind of got me thinking we need to jump off the trading kuba bandwagon.

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These are 29 of the 45 D-men who currently have higher cap hits than Filip Kuba's $3.7M.

A number of them make more and couldn't hold his jock.
Another good chunk make more and aren't any better.
Many near the top aren't worth anywhere near there salaries if $3.7M is a fair price for Kuba.

Campbell 7.5
Jay-Bo 6.7
Phaneuf 6.5
Redden 6.5
Jovo 6.5
Timonen 6.33
Rafalski 6.0
McCabe 5.7
Visnovsky 5.6
Hamrlik 5.5
Souray 5.4
Roszival 5.0
Kubina 5.0
Johnsson 4.85
Hainsey 4.5
Hannan 4.5
Komisarek 4.5
Brewer 4.25
Ballard 4.2
Liles 4.2
Gilbert 4.0
Meszaros 4.0
Wideman 3.88
Spacek 3.83
Beachemin 3.8
Commodore 3.75
Orpik 3.75
B.Stuart 3.75
Bieksa 3.75

This is the reality of free agency. IMO, if we try to replace Kuba... there's a pretty good chance we'll end up with somebody at the same level who makes more money.

Should we be thinking twice about trading kuba??

PascalLeclaire · 02-12-2010, 12:20 AM

To Nashville: Nick Foligno
To Ottawa: Dan Hamhuis

To St.Louis: Kuba, 2nd rounder, Kovalev
To Ottawa: Kariya, Perron

To LA: Jonathan Cheechoo
To Ottawa: Oscar Moller

Kariya-Spezza-Perron
Michalek-Fisher-Alfredsson
Winchester-Regin-Shannon
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil

Hamhuis-Karlsson
Phillips-Volchenkov
Campoli-Carkner

Innocent_bystander · 02-12-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurty

K i'm gunna go ahead and say that I have for sure been on board the trade cheechoo, picard and kuba bandwagon, but I saw an intersting post elsehwere considering kuba that has kind of got me thinking we need to jump off the trading kuba bandwagon.

Should we be thinking twice about trading kuba??

Haha, yeah I just made a post in the thread about who should be on our trading block saying that I don't think we should trade hi right now. as I said, despite his glaring defensive deficiencies, he is the closest thing we have to a powerplay quarterback. So I say we need to keep him until one of two things happens.

1) Simple, we get another PPQB to replace him.

OR

2) Karlsson shows he can consistently run our powerplay. The 5 Cs that are vitally important to a true powerplay quarterback, crisp pass, canon shot, creativity confidence and consistency. He has always had the first 3, in the 10 games or so leading up to his injury he was starting to gain the confidence. Now he just needs to show he can do it with some consistency.

By the way, I just made up those 5 Cs... But I think I'm gonna start using that.

PascalLeclaire · 02-12-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Innocent_bystander

Haha, yeah I just made a post in the thread about who should be on our trading block saying that I don't think we should trade hi right now. as I said, despite his glaring defensive deficiencies, he is the closest thing we have to a powerplay quarterback. So I say we need to keep him until one of two things happens.

1) Simple, we get another PPQB to replace him.

OR

2) Karlsson shows he can consistently run our powerplay. The 5 Cs that are vitally important to a true powerplay quarterback, crisp pass, canon shot, creativity confidence and consistency. He has always had the first 3, in the 10 games or so leading up to his injury he was starting to gain the confidence. Now he just needs to show he can do it with some consistency.

By the way, I just made up those 5 Cs... But I think I'm gonna start using that.

Hamhuis fits the 5c's perfectly. He might not rack up A LOT of points but it's cause of Weber and Suter taking the majority of the points.

Plus it's not everyday you can find a young defenceman who is a solid defensive defenceman who can chip up offensively.

JoshLind · 02-12-2010, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurty

Should we be thinking twice about trading kuba??

No. The poster you quoted was misleading. First of all, that list is only 29 of the 45 who make more than Kuba. It's likely the other 16 (guys like Green, Lidstrom, Pronger) were left off for a reason. And even on that list, I would argue that...

McCabe 5.7
Visnovsky 5.6
Souray 5.4
Hainsey 4.5
Ballard 4.2
Liles 4.2
Gilbert 4.0
Wideman 3.88
Spacek 3.83
Orpik 3.75
Bieksa 3.75

... are all better contracts than Kuba's. And then you need to realize - what about all the other defensemen making LESS than Kuba?! How that poster managed to use his list as a reason to convince people to KEEP Kuba is a mystery to me, especially since he pointed out something rather audacious -- namely that Filip Kuba is the 46th highest paid NHL defenseman!

JoshLind · 02-12-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshLind

Revised:

To Ottawa: Andrew Brunette, Marek Zidlicky
To Minnesota: Ryan Shannon, Filip Kuba, Ottawa 2nd Round Pick

To Ottawa: Jack Johnson
To Los Angeles: Jonathan Chechoo, Alex Picard, San Jose 2nd Round Pick

To Ottawa: Marek Svatos
To Colorado: Brian Lee, Ottawa 4th Round Pick

Brunette - Spezza - Alfredsson
Michalek - Fisher - Kovalev
Foligno - Regin - Svatos
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil
Donovan/Winchester

Johnson - Zidlicky
Phillips - Volchenkov
Campoli - Karlsson
Carkner

Leclaire
Elliott

I really think this proposal deserves more attention

Innocent_bystander · 02-12-2010, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PascalLeclaire

Hamhuis fits the 5c's perfectly. He might not rack up A LOT of points but it's cause of Weber and Suter taking the majority of the points.

Plus it's not everyday you can find a young defenceman who is a solid defensive defenceman who can chip up offensively.

The one problem with Hamhuis is the fact that he is a UFA come summer. He is gonna need a huge raise. Likely into the 3.5-4 million dollar range. Even if we make the moves to free up the cap space, who knows if he would even want to re-sign in Ottawa.

JoshLind · 02-12-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Innocent_bystander

The one problem with Hamhuis is the fact that he is a UFA come summer. He is gonna need a huge raise. Likely into the 3.5-4 million dollar range. Even if we make the moves to free up the cap space, who knows if he would even want to re-sign in Ottawa.

I'll take Cody Franson though!

Innocent_bystander · 02-12-2010, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshLind

I really think this proposal deserves more attention

I don't see LA giving up on Jack Johnson for that little. Pretty sure they could get much better deals. Including perhaps Vishnovski or Souray from Edmonton.

Innocent_bystander · 02-12-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshLind

I'll take Cody Franson though!

Haha Franson would be awesome. As would almost any of Nashville's plethora of excellent young defensemen. Jonathan Blum, Cody Franson, C.O. Roussel... But if we were gonna make a deal with Nashville, Hornqvist would have to be the main target.

If we were to trade Kovalev plus, would you be willing to take on Martin Erat's contract in order to get Hornqvist? Cus I really doubt Nashville would take on Kovalev without dropping a salary. They are on an ownership imposed budget form what I've heard.

4.5 million with about 6 years remaining. Keep in mind, its not just a totally useless contract, he is a consistent 50 point scorer and an extremely exciting player to watch.

JoshLind · 02-12-2010, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Innocent_bystander

Haha Franson would be awesome. As would almost any of Nashville's plethora of excellent young defensemen. Jonathan Blum, Cody Franson, C.O. Roussel... But if we were gonna make a deal with Nashville, Hornqvist would have to be the main target.

If we were to trade Kovalev plus, would you be willing to take on Martin Erat's contract in order to get Hornqvist? Cus I really doubt Nashville would take on Kovalev without dropping a salary. They are on an ownership imposed budget form what I've heard.

4.5 million with about 6 years remaining. Keep in mind, its not just a totally useless contract, he is a consistent 50 point scorer and an extremely exciting player to watch.

Yeah, I'll write up a proposal with Erat soon.